[Oer-community] NC License and Printing cost

Wed Nov 28 23:16:24 MST 2012

Thanks Zaid,

Not a tool -- but a free workshop with participants from 52 countries are
starting a collaborative learning journey this Monday, 3 December 2012 on
the Open Content Licensing for Educators
Workshop<http://wikieducator.org/Open_content_licensing_for_educators/Home>
.

Hope you can join us :-)

Wayne

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Zaid Ali Alsagoff
<zaid.alsagoff at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Wayne,
>
> Thanks for the insights and links.
>
> Here is another link on license compatibility, which is useful:
>
>
> http://wikieducator.org/OER_Handbook/educator_version_one/License/License_compatibility
>
> And then the OER Risk Management Calculator:
>
> http://www.web2rights.com/OERIPRSupport/risk-management-calculator/
>
> Besides these 2 tools and of course the CC License Selection Tool:
>
> http://creativecommons.org/choose/
>
> ...Are the any other recommend tools to find the appropriate license and
> avoid potential pitfalls?
>
>
> Thanks and warm regards,
>
> Zaid
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Wayne Mackintosh <
> mackintosh.wayne at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> HI Zaid,
>>
>> Under version 3.0 of the Creative Commons license the determination of
>> what constitutes non-commercial is largely determined by the intent of the
>> copyright holder. (Which generates interesting remix scenarios when the
>> intent (definition) of the copyright holders of different NC materials
>> being remixed may not be identical, particularly when the SA provision is
>> added which requires the derivative work to be released under the identical
>> license -- where intent regarding NC may differ.)
>>
>> There is strong opinion that recouping directing printing costs of NC
>> materials by a non-profit would not necessarily constitute commercial use
>> -- but best to confirm this with the copyright holder. See for example this piece
>> in COL's Connections<http://www.col.org/news/Connections/2008feb/Pages/fairComment.aspx>.
>>
>>
>> To the best of my knowledge we don't have case law to test this
>> assumption.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Zaid Ali Alsagoff <
>> zaid.alsagoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone (sharing their points) for the awesome discussion
>>> regarding Creative Commons and especially the NC license aspect. However, I
>>> am not sure I can associate popcorn with OER in the cinema, unless the
>>> popcorn is free. Since it is mostly over-priced (including in Malaysia) to
>>> say Popcorn is OER or OER are popcorn doesn't ring a bell in me (Sounds
>>> cool only). Though, David's blog post made totally sense to me (Who
>>> cares!), except the popcorn aspect (though the separation aspect between
>>> cinema and popcorn makes sense). I suppose, it will make sense, when I get
>>> free popcorn at the cinema (I wish) :)
>>>
>>> However, my question to the experts on NC is this: Should for example
>>> the University print-out several copies of a CC BY-NC-SA module (used for a
>>> course), and then charge the student for the printing cost just to cover
>>> the cost without making money...is that allowed or are we violating the NC
>>> license aspect. Such instances might occur to save the students from
>>> needing to individually print them out themselves (convenience), and it
>>> might also save cost as it is done in bulks.
>>>
>>> Obviously, if we make money selling the printed OER it is wrong, but
>>> what about doing it just to cover the cost (without making profit) is it
>>> allowed based on the NC license?
>>>
>>> My current understanding (Still confused on this aspect) is that you
>>> can't do it, but my rationale say it should be allowed to do it to cover
>>> cost (only).
>>>
>>> If this question has been discussed already, I apologize for missing
>>> that particular thread. Trying hard just to keep up with all the great
>>> discussions going on this time around.
>>>
>>> Thanks and warm regards,
>>>
>>> *Zaid Ali Alsagoff*
>>> *E-Learning Manager*
>>> International Medical University
>>> No. 126, Jln Jalil Perkasa 19, Bukit Jalil,57000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
>>> Blog: http://zaidlearn.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/zaidlearn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Stephen Downes <
>>> Stephen.Downes at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  > Fewer restrictions = more degrees of freedom for downstream users and
>>>> uses.
>>>>
>>>> It's like they never stop saying this, even though it's not true.
>>>>
>>>> -- Stephen
>>>>
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