[Oer-community] NC License and Printing cost

Wed Nov 28 23:37:41 MST 2012

Thanks Wayne,

I have gone through the whole course already earlier...awesome stuff!
Registered last time, but couldn't really participate due to workload :)

Another thing you reminded me to is to link to your workshop on the
copyright section for my next OER workshop(s) in Saudi Arabia in February :)

Here is the slides for my last OER workshop (will add the link (and
screenshot) to your license workshop in the next version):

http://www.slideshare.net/zaid/the-oer-workshop-at-imu

(Some of the images in the slides are testing the law (breaking), and the
ROCK might slam me, too...Will work on that as you noted last time...if you
can remember :))

I will be going to Australia next week (Gold coast and Sydney), but just
for a family holiday :)

Thanks for the reminder and warm regards,

*Zaid Ali Alsagoff*
*E-Learning Manager*
International Medical University
No. 126, Jln Jalil Perkasa 19, Bukit Jalil,57000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Blog: http://zaidlearn.blogspot.com/

Twitter: http://twitter.com/zaidlearn

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Wayne Mackintosh <
mackintosh.wayne at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Zaid,
>
> Not a tool -- but a free workshop with participants from 52 countries are
> starting a collaborative learning journey this Monday, 3 December 2012 on
> the Open Content Licensing for Educators Workshop<http://wikieducator.org/Open_content_licensing_for_educators/Home>
> .
>
> Hope you can join us :-)
>
> Wayne
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Zaid Ali Alsagoff <
> zaid.alsagoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Wayne,
>>
>> Thanks for the insights and links.
>>
>> Here is another link on license compatibility, which is useful:
>>
>>
>> http://wikieducator.org/OER_Handbook/educator_version_one/License/License_compatibility
>>
>> And then the OER Risk Management Calculator:
>>
>> http://www.web2rights.com/OERIPRSupport/risk-management-calculator/
>>
>> Besides these 2 tools and of course the CC License Selection Tool:
>>
>> http://creativecommons.org/choose/
>>
>> ...Are the any other recommend tools to find the appropriate license and
>> avoid potential pitfalls?
>>
>>
>> Thanks and warm regards,
>>
>> Zaid
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Wayne Mackintosh <
>> mackintosh.wayne at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> HI Zaid,
>>>
>>> Under version 3.0 of the Creative Commons license the determination of
>>> what constitutes non-commercial is largely determined by the intent of the
>>> copyright holder. (Which generates interesting remix scenarios when the
>>> intent (definition) of the copyright holders of different NC materials
>>> being remixed may not be identical, particularly when the SA provision is
>>> added which requires the derivative work to be released under the identical
>>> license -- where intent regarding NC may differ.)
>>>
>>> There is strong opinion that recouping directing printing costs of NC
>>> materials by a non-profit would not necessarily constitute commercial use
>>> -- but best to confirm this with the copyright holder. See for example this piece
>>> in COL's Connections<http://www.col.org/news/Connections/2008feb/Pages/fairComment.aspx>.
>>>
>>>
>>> To the best of my knowledge we don't have case law to test this
>>> assumption.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Zaid Ali Alsagoff <
>>> zaid.alsagoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks everyone (sharing their points) for the awesome discussion
>>>> regarding Creative Commons and especially the NC license aspect. However, I
>>>> am not sure I can associate popcorn with OER in the cinema, unless the
>>>> popcorn is free. Since it is mostly over-priced (including in Malaysia) to
>>>> say Popcorn is OER or OER are popcorn doesn't ring a bell in me (Sounds
>>>> cool only). Though, David's blog post made totally sense to me (Who
>>>> cares!), except the popcorn aspect (though the separation aspect between
>>>> cinema and popcorn makes sense). I suppose, it will make sense, when I get
>>>> free popcorn at the cinema (I wish) :)
>>>>
>>>> However, my question to the experts on NC is this: Should for example
>>>> the University print-out several copies of a CC BY-NC-SA module (used for a
>>>> course), and then charge the student for the printing cost just to cover
>>>> the cost without making money...is that allowed or are we violating the NC
>>>> license aspect. Such instances might occur to save the students from
>>>> needing to individually print them out themselves (convenience), and it
>>>> might also save cost as it is done in bulks.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously, if we make money selling the printed OER it is wrong, but
>>>> what about doing it just to cover the cost (without making profit) is it
>>>> allowed based on the NC license?
>>>>
>>>> My current understanding (Still confused on this aspect) is that you
>>>> can't do it, but my rationale say it should be allowed to do it to cover
>>>> cost (only).
>>>>
>>>> If this question has been discussed already, I apologize for missing
>>>> that particular thread. Trying hard just to keep up with all the great
>>>> discussions going on this time around.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and warm regards,
>>>>
>>>> *Zaid Ali Alsagoff*
>>>> *E-Learning Manager*
>>>> International Medical University
>>>> No. 126, Jln Jalil Perkasa 19, Bukit Jalil,57000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
>>>> Blog: http://zaidlearn.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/zaidlearn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Stephen Downes <
>>>> Stephen.Downes at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  > Fewer restrictions = more degrees of freedom for downstream users
>>>>> and
>>>>> uses.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's like they never stop saying this, even though it's not true.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Stephen
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