[Oer-community] NC License and Printing cost

[Zaid Ali Alsagoff]

Dear Wayne,

Thanks for the insights and links.

Here is another link on license compatibility, which is useful:

http://wikieducator.org/OER_Handbook/educator_version_one/License/License_compatibility

And then the OER Risk Management Calculator:

http://www.web2rights.com/OERIPRSupport/risk-management-calculator/

Besides these 2 tools and of course the CC License Selection Tool:

http://creativecommons.org/choose/

...Are the any other recommend tools to find the appropriate license and
avoid potential pitfalls?

Thanks and warm regards,

Zaid


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Wayne Mackintosh <
mackintosh.wayne at gmail.com> wrote:

> HI Zaid,
>
> Under version 3.0 of the Creative Commons license the determination of
> what constitutes non-commercial is largely determined by the intent of the
> copyright holder. (Which generates interesting remix scenarios when the
> intent (definition) of the copyright holders of different NC materials
> being remixed may not be identical, particularly when the SA provision is
> added which requires the derivative work to be released under the identical
> license -- where intent regarding NC may differ.)
>
> There is strong opinion that recouping directing printing costs of NC
> materials by a non-profit would not necessarily constitute commercial use
> -- but best to confirm this with the copyright holder. See for example this piece
> in COL's Connections<http://www.col.org/news/Connections/2008feb/Pages/fairComment.aspx>.
>
>
> To the best of my knowledge we don't have case law to test this
> assumption.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Zaid Ali Alsagoff <
> zaid.alsagoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Thanks everyone (sharing their points) for the awesome discussion
>> regarding Creative Commons and especially the NC license aspect. However, I
>> am not sure I can associate popcorn with OER in the cinema, unless the
>> popcorn is free. Since it is mostly over-priced (including in Malaysia) to
>> say Popcorn is OER or OER are popcorn doesn't ring a bell in me (Sounds
>> cool only). Though, David's blog post made totally sense to me (Who
>> cares!), except the popcorn aspect (though the separation aspect between
>> cinema and popcorn makes sense). I suppose, it will make sense, when I get
>> free popcorn at the cinema (I wish) :)
>>
>> However, my question to the experts on NC is this: Should for example the
>> University print-out several copies of a CC BY-NC-SA module (used for a
>> course), and then charge the student for the printing cost just to cover
>> the cost without making money...is that allowed or are we violating the NC
>> license aspect. Such instances might occur to save the students from
>> needing to individually print them out themselves (convenience), and it
>> might also save cost as it is done in bulks.
>>
>> Obviously, if we make money selling the printed OER it is wrong, but what
>> about doing it just to cover the cost (without making profit) is it allowed
>> based on the NC license?
>>
>> My current understanding (Still confused on this aspect) is that you
>> can't do it, but my rationale say it should be allowed to do it to cover
>> cost (only).
>>
>> If this question has been discussed already, I apologize for missing that
>> particular thread. Trying hard just to keep up with all the great
>> discussions going on this time around.
>>
>> Thanks and warm regards,
>>
>> *Zaid Ali Alsagoff*
>> *E-Learning Manager*
>> International Medical University
>> No. 126, Jln Jalil Perkasa 19, Bukit Jalil,57000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
>> Blog: http://zaidlearn.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/zaidlearn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Stephen Downes <
>> Stephen.Downes at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>  > Fewer restrictions = more degrees of freedom for downstream users and
>>> uses.
>>>
>>> It's like they never stop saying this, even though it's not true.
>>>
>>> -- Stephen
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