[Oer-community] SUSPECT: Re: Metadata for OER and International Open Access Association

[Poncelet Ileleji]

Hello Pat,

I totally concur and share your sentiments about this issue too,

Regards

Poncelet

On 26 November 2012 14:48, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>wrote:

> Hello,
>
> It wasn't a criticism, and it reflects that Open in open source is
> different to open in OER and OA. I'd prefer it if it was both free and
> openly licensed.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Stracke, Christian <
> Christian.Stracke at icb.uni-due.de> wrote:
>
>>  Dear Pat and Duda,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> well, Open Access does not mean that it is for free:****
>>
>> Of course I would appreciate if MLR would be available for free and
>> therefore we have asked for it.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> You can you use and implement the ISO metadata standard MLR as you want:*
>> ***
>>
>> ISO is only claiming copyright for the publication but not for any usage.
>> ****
>>
>> Almost all ISO standards can be used for free, otherwise a precise note
>> has to be on the first page according ISO directives.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> You can use the MLR standard also for OERs without problems:****
>>
>> And in addition you can develop a specific Application Profile of MLR for
>> OER purposes if you see additional needs (and the rules for Application
>> Profiles are included in MLR).****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Of course the amount of OERs is increasing but that is the reason why we
>> urgently need metadata for better search and findings!****
>>
>> Therefore I strongly recommend MLR as it is compliant with DC and OAI
>> (what most online repositories are currently using) and amending DC and OAI
>> by adding specific educational metadata (also suitable for OERs).****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Hope that it clarifies...****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Best wishes****
>>
>> Christian****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> With best regards****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Christian Stracke****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> ---****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Christian M. Stracke****
>>
>> Convener ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36/WG5
>> Chair CEN TC 353
>> HR, E-Learning, Quality and Competence Development
>> University of Duisburg-Essen, Campus Essen
>> Universitaetsstr. 9 (ICB)
>> D-45141 Essen (Germany)
>>
>> Tel.: +49-(0)201-183-4410
>> Fax: +49-(0)201-183-4067
>> E-mail: Christian.Stracke at icb.uni-due.de
>> *
>> LINQ The Leading Conference for Learning Innovations and Quality
>> *http://www.learning-innovations.eu
>> *
>> QLET for Quality in Learning, Education and Training
>> *http://www.qualitydevelopment.eu
>> *
>> AGRICOM for Agriculture Competences in Europe
>> *http://www.agriculture-competences.eu
>> *
>> Q.E.D. supports Quality and Standards in e-Learning
>> *http://www.qed-info.de
>> *
>> CEN/TC 353 "ICT for Learning, Education and Training"
>> *http://www.cen.eu/isss/TC_353
>> *
>> ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36 "IT for Learning, Education and Training"
>> *http://www.sc36.org****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *Von:* oer-community-bounces at athabascau.ca [mailto:
>> oer-community-bounces at athabascau.ca] *Im Auftrag von *Duda Nogueira
>> *Gesendet:* Montag, 26. November 2012 13:19
>> *An:* oer-community
>> *Cc:* oer-community
>>
>> *Betreff:* Re: [Oer-community] SUSPECT: Re: Metadata for OER and
>> International Open Access Association****
>>
>>  ** **
>>
>> I agree with Pat.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> We must have open access to "open access" the metadata for OER.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If you can't have open access to the drafts about how to implement that,
>> it really shouldn't****
>>
>> be called open. It should be just a PDF file, anyway.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I wonder why you see no standards being applied on OER projects at all...
>> It's Expensive to get the specs, it's not ready, and not fully open. After
>> you get that, you'll have tons of work to apply it as in code.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Meanwhile, OER objects keep popping on the net...
>> and OER repositories too, each one following whatever they feel best as a
>> standard, creating their own standard (?) or no standard whatsoever.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> For me you can't talk about mapping OER projects without talking about
>> OER standards, an easy to implement, easy to find standard. You can always
>> map them by hand, collaboratively. It way take a huge amount of effort.**
>> **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On the other hand, if you have a standard to follow, you can do that
>> programmatically. Imagine if all the OER repositories would agree on the
>> standard. It would make the mapping initiative easier and more consistent.
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Duda****
>>
>>
>> Sent from my tablet****
>>
>>
>> On 26/11/2012, at 09:58, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
>> wrote:****
>>
>>  Dear Christian,
>>
>> Apologies for vague english.
>>
>> In open source development, if you have to use a paid for service or
>> product, then in theory it isn't "open source". I wondered if using
>> paid-for metadata standards (say like Adobe having an Open Format, but not
>> open source software) would lead to questions of openness.
>>
>> Just conjecture.
>>
>> Pat****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Stracke, Christian <
>> Christian.Stracke at icb.uni-due.de> wrote:****
>>
>> Dear Pat,****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> metadata are for descriptions and not for assessing.****
>>
>> And the metadata does not cost (you can use them as you want), only the
>> ISO standards as documentation how to define, apply and implement.****
>>
>> But hopefully the ISO standards will be for free soon.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Best wishes****
>>
>> Christian****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> With best regards****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Christian Stracke****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> ---****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Christian M. Stracke****
>>
>> Convener ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36/WG5
>> Chair CEN TC 353
>> HR, E-Learning, Quality and Competence Development
>> University of Duisburg-Essen, Campus Essen
>> Universitaetsstr. 9 (ICB)
>> D-45141 Essen (Germany)
>>
>> Tel.: +49-(0)201-183-4410
>> Fax: +49-(0)201-183-4067
>> E-mail: Christian.Stracke at icb.uni-due.de
>> *
>> LINQ The Leading Conference for Learning Innovations and Quality
>> *http://www.learning-innovations.eu
>> *
>> QLET for Quality in Learning, Education and Training
>> *http://www.qualitydevelopment.eu
>> *
>> AGRICOM for Agriculture Competences in Europe
>> *http://www.agriculture-competences.eu
>> *
>> Q.E.D. supports Quality and Standards in e-Learning
>> *http://www.qed-info.de
>> *
>> CEN/TC 353 "ICT for Learning, Education and Training"
>> *http://www.cen.eu/isss/TC_353
>> *
>> ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36 "IT for Learning, Education and Training"
>> *http://www.sc36.org****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> *Von:* oer-community-bounces at athabascau.ca [mailto:
>> oer-community-bounces at athabascau.ca] *Im Auftrag von *Pat Lockley
>> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 25. November 2012 16:27
>> *An:* Phil Barker; oer-community****
>>
>>
>> *Betreff:* Re: [Oer-community] SUSPECT: Re: Metadata for OER and
>> International Open Access Association****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> How does an open community assess using metadata that has costs?****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Phil Barker <phil.barker at hw.ac.uk>
>> wrote:****
>>
>> On 24/11/12 16:54, Stracke, Christian wrote:
>> > MLR is based on DC and OAI and 100% compliant with them (RDF and triple
>> based) but enriched for learning elements.
>> > And due to its strict rules for implementation and extensions, any
>> application profile can be developed (by keeping 100% interoperability).
>> > I strongly recommend to use MLR as basis for any system of listing,
>> mapping and tagging OER.
>> We've certainly come a long way since Dublin Core and IMS LRM. They were
>> free. IEEE LOM will cost you about $100 (though if you Google you'll
>> find the final draft for free).   What's published so far of ISO MLR
>> costs from CHF 98 - 170  per part, so for 10 parts that's well over
>> US$1,000 just to see whether it's useful.  Or is there an open access
>> copy somewhere?
>>
>> Phil Barker
>>
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