[Oer-community] SUSPECT: Re: Metadata for OER and International Open Access Association

Pat Lockley patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
Mon Nov 26 07:48:57 MST 2012


Hello,

It wasn't a criticism, and it reflects that Open in open source is
different to open in OER and OA. I'd prefer it if it was both free and
openly licensed.

Pat




On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Stracke, Christian <
Christian.Stracke at icb.uni-due.de> wrote:

>  Dear Pat and Duda,****
>
> ** **
>
> well, Open Access does not mean that it is for free:****
>
> Of course I would appreciate if MLR would be available for free and
> therefore we have asked for it.****
>
> ** **
>
> You can you use and implement the ISO metadata standard MLR as you want:**
> **
>
> ISO is only claiming copyright for the publication but not for any usage.*
> ***
>
> Almost all ISO standards can be used for free, otherwise a precise note
> has to be on the first page according ISO directives.****
>
> ** **
>
> You can use the MLR standard also for OERs without problems:****
>
> And in addition you can develop a specific Application Profile of MLR for
> OER purposes if you see additional needs (and the rules for Application
> Profiles are included in MLR).****
>
> ** **
>
> Of course the amount of OERs is increasing but that is the reason why we
> urgently need metadata for better search and findings!****
>
> Therefore I strongly recommend MLR as it is compliant with DC and OAI
> (what most online repositories are currently using) and amending DC and OAI
> by adding specific educational metadata (also suitable for OERs).****
>
> ** **
>
> Hope that it clarifies...****
>
> ** **
>
> Best wishes****
>
> Christian****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> With best regards****
>
>  ****
>
> Christian Stracke****
>
>  ****
>
> ---****
>
>  ****
>
> Christian M. Stracke****
>
> Convener ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36/WG5
> Chair CEN TC 353
> HR, E-Learning, Quality and Competence Development
> University of Duisburg-Essen, Campus Essen
> Universitaetsstr. 9 (ICB)
> D-45141 Essen (Germany)
>
> Tel.: +49-(0)201-183-4410
> Fax: +49-(0)201-183-4067
> E-mail: Christian.Stracke at icb.uni-due.de
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> LINQ The Leading Conference for Learning Innovations and Quality
> *http://www.learning-innovations.eu
> *
> QLET for Quality in Learning, Education and Training
> *http://www.qualitydevelopment.eu
> *
> AGRICOM for Agriculture Competences in Europe
> *http://www.agriculture-competences.eu
> *
> Q.E.D. supports Quality and Standards in e-Learning
> *http://www.qed-info.de
> *
> CEN/TC 353 "ICT for Learning, Education and Training"
> *http://www.cen.eu/isss/TC_353
> *
> ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36 "IT for Learning, Education and Training"
> *http://www.sc36.org****
>
> ** **
>
> *Von:* oer-community-bounces at athabascau.ca [mailto:
> oer-community-bounces at athabascau.ca] *Im Auftrag von *Duda Nogueira
> *Gesendet:* Montag, 26. November 2012 13:19
> *An:* oer-community
> *Cc:* oer-community
>
> *Betreff:* Re: [Oer-community] SUSPECT: Re: Metadata for OER and
> International Open Access Association****
>
>  ** **
>
> I agree with Pat.****
>
> ** **
>
> We must have open access to "open access" the metadata for OER.****
>
> ** **
>
> If you can't have open access to the drafts about how to implement that,
> it really shouldn't****
>
> be called open. It should be just a PDF file, anyway.****
>
> ** **
>
> I wonder why you see no standards being applied on OER projects at all...
> It's Expensive to get the specs, it's not ready, and not fully open. After
> you get that, you'll have tons of work to apply it as in code.****
>
> ** **
>
> Meanwhile, OER objects keep popping on the net...
> and OER repositories too, each one following whatever they feel best as a
> standard, creating their own standard (?) or no standard whatsoever.****
>
> ** **
>
> For me you can't talk about mapping OER projects without talking about OER
> standards, an easy to implement, easy to find standard. You can always map
> them by hand, collaboratively. It way take a huge amount of effort.****
>
> ** **
>
> On the other hand, if you have a standard to follow, you can do that
> programmatically. Imagine if all the OER repositories would agree on the
> standard. It would make the mapping initiative easier and more consistent.
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> Duda****
>
>
> Sent from my tablet****
>
>
> On 26/11/2012, at 09:58, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
> wrote:****
>
>  Dear Christian,
>
> Apologies for vague english.
>
> In open source development, if you have to use a paid for service or
> product, then in theory it isn't "open source". I wondered if using
> paid-for metadata standards (say like Adobe having an Open Format, but not
> open source software) would lead to questions of openness.
>
> Just conjecture.
>
> Pat****
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Stracke, Christian <
> Christian.Stracke at icb.uni-due.de> wrote:****
>
> Dear Pat,****
>
>  ****
>
> metadata are for descriptions and not for assessing.****
>
> And the metadata does not cost (you can use them as you want), only the
> ISO standards as documentation how to define, apply and implement.****
>
> But hopefully the ISO standards will be for free soon.****
>
>  ****
>
> Best wishes****
>
> Christian****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> With best regards****
>
>  ****
>
> Christian Stracke****
>
>  ****
>
> ---****
>
>  ****
>
> Christian M. Stracke****
>
> Convener ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36/WG5
> Chair CEN TC 353
> HR, E-Learning, Quality and Competence Development
> University of Duisburg-Essen, Campus Essen
> Universitaetsstr. 9 (ICB)
> D-45141 Essen (Germany)
>
> Tel.: +49-(0)201-183-4410
> Fax: +49-(0)201-183-4067
> E-mail: Christian.Stracke at icb.uni-due.de
> *
> LINQ The Leading Conference for Learning Innovations and Quality
> *http://www.learning-innovations.eu
> *
> QLET for Quality in Learning, Education and Training
> *http://www.qualitydevelopment.eu
> *
> AGRICOM for Agriculture Competences in Europe
> *http://www.agriculture-competences.eu
> *
> Q.E.D. supports Quality and Standards in e-Learning
> *http://www.qed-info.de
> *
> CEN/TC 353 "ICT for Learning, Education and Training"
> *http://www.cen.eu/isss/TC_353
> *
> ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36 "IT for Learning, Education and Training"
> *http://www.sc36.org****
>
>  ****
>
> *Von:* oer-community-bounces at athabascau.ca [mailto:
> oer-community-bounces at athabascau.ca] *Im Auftrag von *Pat Lockley
> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 25. November 2012 16:27
> *An:* Phil Barker; oer-community****
>
>
> *Betreff:* Re: [Oer-community] SUSPECT: Re: Metadata for OER and
> International Open Access Association****
>
>  ****
>
> How does an open community assess using metadata that has costs?****
>
>  ****
>
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Phil Barker <phil.barker at hw.ac.uk> wrote:
> ****
>
> On 24/11/12 16:54, Stracke, Christian wrote:
> > MLR is based on DC and OAI and 100% compliant with them (RDF and triple
> based) but enriched for learning elements.
> > And due to its strict rules for implementation and extensions, any
> application profile can be developed (by keeping 100% interoperability).
> > I strongly recommend to use MLR as basis for any system of listing,
> mapping and tagging OER.
> We've certainly come a long way since Dublin Core and IMS LRM. They were
> free. IEEE LOM will cost you about $100 (though if you Google you'll
> find the final draft for free).   What's published so far of ISO MLR
> costs from CHF 98 - 170  per part, so for 10 parts that's well over
> US$1,000 just to see whether it's useful.  Or is there an open access
> copy somewhere?
>
> Phil Barker
>
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