[Oer-community] SUSPECT: Re: Metadata for OER and International Open Access Association

[Stracke, Christian]

Dear Pat and Duda,

well, Open Access does not mean that it is for free:
Of course I would appreciate if MLR would be available for free and therefore we have asked for it.

You can you use and implement the ISO metadata standard MLR as you want:
ISO is only claiming copyright for the publication but not for any usage.
Almost all ISO standards can be used for free, otherwise a precise note has to be on the first page according ISO directives.

You can use the MLR standard also for OERs without problems:
And in addition you can develop a specific Application Profile of MLR for OER purposes if you see additional needs (and the rules for Application Profiles are included in MLR).

Of course the amount of OERs is increasing but that is the reason why we urgently need metadata for better search and findings!
Therefore I strongly recommend MLR as it is compliant with DC and OAI (what most online repositories are currently using) and amending DC and OAI by adding specific educational metadata (also suitable for OERs).

Hope that it clarifies...

Best wishes
Christian


With best regards

Christian Stracke

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Christian M. Stracke
Convener ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36/WG5
Chair CEN TC 353
HR, E-Learning, Quality and Competence Development
University of Duisburg-Essen, Campus Essen
Universitaetsstr. 9 (ICB)
D-45141 Essen (Germany)

Tel.: +49-(0)201-183-4410
Fax: +49-(0)201-183-4067
E-mail: Christian.Stracke at icb.uni-due.de

LINQ The Leading Conference for Learning Innovations and Quality
http://www.learning-innovations.eu<http://www.learning-innovations.eu/>

QLET for Quality in Learning, Education and Training
http://www.qualitydevelopment.eu<http://www.qualitydevelopment.eu/>

AGRICOM for Agriculture Competences in Europe
http://www.agriculture-competences.eu<http://www.agriculture-competences.eu/>

Q.E.D. supports Quality and Standards in e-Learning
http://www.qed-info.de<http://www.qed-info.de/>

CEN/TC 353 "ICT for Learning, Education and Training"
http://www.cen.eu/isss/TC_353

ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36 "IT for Learning, Education and Training"
http://www.sc36.org<http://www.sc36.org/>

Von: oer-community-bounces at athabascau.ca [mailto:oer-community-bounces at athabascau.ca] Im Auftrag von Duda Nogueira
Gesendet: Montag, 26. November 2012 13:19
An: oer-community
Cc: oer-community
Betreff: Re: [Oer-community] SUSPECT: Re: Metadata for OER and International Open Access Association

I agree with Pat.

We must have open access to "open access" the metadata for OER.

If you can't have open access to the drafts about how to implement that, it really shouldn't
be called open. It should be just a PDF file, anyway.

I wonder why you see no standards being applied on OER projects at all... It's Expensive to get the specs, it's not ready, and not fully open. After you get that, you'll have tons of work to apply it as in code.

Meanwhile, OER objects keep popping on the net...
and OER repositories too, each one following whatever they feel best as a standard, creating their own standard (?) or no standard whatsoever.

For me you can't talk about mapping OER projects without talking about OER standards, an easy to implement, easy to find standard. You can always map them by hand, collaboratively. It way take a huge amount of effort.

On the other hand, if you have a standard to follow, you can do that programmatically. Imagine if all the OER repositories would agree on the standard. It would make the mapping initiative easier and more consistent.

Duda

Sent from my tablet

On 26/11/2012, at 09:58, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com<mailto:patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>> wrote:
Dear Christian,

Apologies for vague english.

In open source development, if you have to use a paid for service or product, then in theory it isn't "open source". I wondered if using paid-for metadata standards (say like Adobe having an Open Format, but not open source software) would lead to questions of openness.

Just conjecture.

Pat

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Stracke, Christian <Christian.Stracke at icb.uni-due.de<mailto:Christian.Stracke at icb.uni-due.de>> wrote:
Dear Pat,

metadata are for descriptions and not for assessing.
And the metadata does not cost (you can use them as you want), only the ISO standards as documentation how to define, apply and implement.
But hopefully the ISO standards will be for free soon.

Best wishes
Christian


With best regards

Christian Stracke

---

Christian M. Stracke
Convener ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36/WG5
Chair CEN TC 353
HR, E-Learning, Quality and Competence Development
University of Duisburg-Essen, Campus Essen
Universitaetsstr. 9 (ICB)
D-45141 Essen (Germany)

Tel.: +49-(0)201-183-4410<tel:%2B49-%280%29201-183-4410>
Fax: +49-(0)201-183-4067<tel:%2B49-%280%29201-183-4067>
E-mail: Christian.Stracke at icb.uni-due.de<http://Christian.Stracke@icb.uni-due.de>

LINQ The Leading Conference for Learning Innovations and Quality
http://www.learning-innovations.eu<http://www.learning-innovations.eu/>

QLET for Quality in Learning, Education and Training
http://www.qualitydevelopment.eu<http://www.qualitydevelopment.eu/>

AGRICOM for Agriculture Competences in Europe
http://www.agriculture-competences.eu<http://www.agriculture-competences.eu/>

Q.E.D. supports Quality and Standards in e-Learning
http://www.qed-info.de<http://www.qed-info.de/>

CEN/TC 353 "ICT for Learning, Education and Training"
http://www.cen.eu/isss/TC_353

ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36 "IT for Learning, Education and Training"
http://www.sc36.org<http://www.sc36.org/>

Von: oer-community-bounces at athabascau.ca<mailto:oer-community-bounces at athabascau.ca> [mailto:oer-community-bounces at athabascau.ca<mailto:oer-community-bounces at athabascau.ca>] Im Auftrag von Pat Lockley
Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. November 2012 16:27
An: Phil Barker; oer-community

Betreff: Re: [Oer-community] SUSPECT: Re: Metadata for OER and International Open Access Association

How does an open community assess using metadata that has costs?

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Phil Barker <phil.barker at hw.ac.uk<mailto:phil.barker at hw.ac.uk>> wrote:
On 24/11/12 16:54, Stracke, Christian wrote:
> MLR is based on DC and OAI and 100% compliant with them (RDF and triple based) but enriched for learning elements.
> And due to its strict rules for implementation and extensions, any application profile can be developed (by keeping 100% interoperability).
> I strongly recommend to use MLR as basis for any system of listing, mapping and tagging OER.
We've certainly come a long way since Dublin Core and IMS LRM. They were
free. IEEE LOM will cost you about $100 (though if you Google you'll
find the final draft for free).   What's published so far of ISO MLR
costs from CHF 98 - 170  per part, so for 10 parts that's well over
US$1,000 just to see whether it's useful.  Or is there an open access
copy somewhere?

Phil Barker

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