[Oer-community] Global Open Access Map - - resource for location coordinates

Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wayne at gmail.com
Wed Nov 21 23:40:11 MST 2012


Hi Seth,

In addition Wikipedia information is licensed under a free cultural works
approved license, so no problems in reusing the status field.


Wayne Mackintosh
OER Foundation
(Mobile)
On Nov 22, 2012 6:55 PM, "Seth Woodworth" <seth at laptop.org> wrote:

> Take this example of a UN/LOCODE from Wikipedia:
>
> Ch LOCODEName NameWoDiacriticsSubDiv FunctionStatus DateIATA Coordinates
> Remarks US NYCNew YorkNew YorkNY 12345---AI 04014042N 07400W
>
>
>
> Of these fields, "Function" is a type of location classifier, signifying
> things like road or rail terminals.  Status denotes who has authorized a
> location to be on the UN/LOCODE list.  Of these fields, the ones that could
> be useful to an OER mapping project would be LOCODE, Name, Function, Status
> and Coordinates.  Of those fields, it appears to me that only status is
> plausibly copyrightable.  The remarks field and the unique three-letter
> code part of the LOCODE are likely copyrightable, but less applicable for
> an OER map.
>
> A fact consisting of the name, function and coordinates of a location is
> not copyrightable under US law, see Feist v. Rural<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feist_v._Rural>.
>  The relevant sections of LOCODE, if useful, could be used.
>
> --Seth
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Wayne Mackintosh <
> mackintosh.wayne at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Abel,
>>
>> That's sorted -- I suggest we use the OpenStreetMap data. It will save
>> considerable time and effort rather than trying to negotiate an open
>> license for data which should be in the public domain from the UN.
>>
>> Wyane
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Caine, Abel <a.caine at unesco.org> wrote:
>>
>>>  Thanks Davide.
>>>
>>>  To the OER Community, note that the completely FOSS-based
>>> OpenStreetMap has the equivalent list of lat/long coordinates as the list
>>> from the UN.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Abel
>>>
>>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 22 nov. 2012, at 00:07, "Storti, Davide" <d.storti at unesco.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Dear Abel,
>>>
>>>  1. The list exists and ... It's OSM itself which is also openly
>>> licensed. As a database, you can query it for all these coordinates and
>>> even for metadata information or relations.
>>> Check for example taginfo:
>>> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/addr%3Acountry
>>>
>>>  2. There is no copyright on geographical coordinates, although this is
>>> not clear to everyone:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Obtaining_geographic_coordinates
>>>
>>>  I think this should answer the concerns raised.
>>> Davide
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Il giorno 21 nov. 2012, alle ore 09:40, "Caine, Abel" <
>>> a.caine at unesco.org> ha scritto:
>>>
>>>    Davide,****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Does the OSM Community maintain an openly-licensed table/wiki of the
>>> lat-longs of major points in the world just like the copyrighted UN list
>>> below?****
>>>
>>> http://www.unece.org/cefact/locode/service/location.html****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Could you forward this question to your FOSS/OSM Communities, askign
>>> them to copy me with replies?****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Abel ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* oer-community-bounces at athabascau.ca [
>>> mailto:oer-community-bounces at athabascau.ca<oer-community-bounces at athabascau.ca>]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Wayne Mackintosh
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 November 2012 09:27
>>> *To:* oer-community
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Oer-community] Global Open Access Map - - resource for
>>> location coordinates****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Hi Virginia,****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Virginia Cram-Martos <
>>> Virginia.Cram-Martos at unece.org> wrote:****
>>>
>>> The website where you can find the codes (and their coordinates)
>>> organised by country and alphabetically within the country is:
>>> http://www.unece.org/cefact/locode/service/location.html - so no need
>>> for most of you to figure out how to get your GPS to give you the
>>> coordinates of where you are - you can just go to the web. ****
>>>
>>> That's an amazing resource and I hope that the OER community can aquire
>>> permissions to use the data. ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> While in many jurisdictions, it is not possible to assert copyright on
>>> data, the UN site to which you refer has a very clear all rights reserved
>>> copyright notice.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Quoting <http://www.unece.org/legal_notice/copyrightnotice.html> from
>>> the site:****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>>  "Copyright (c) United Nations 2000-2008. All rights reserved. None of
>>> the materials provided on this web site may be used, reproduced or
>>> transmitted, in whole or in part, in any form or by any means, electronic
>>> or mechanical, including photocopying, recording or the use of any
>>> information storage and retrieval system, except as provided for in the
>>> Terms and Conditions of Use of United Nations Web Sites, without permission
>>> in writing from the publisher."****
>>>
>>>  ** **
>>>
>>> How can we legally use the resources on this site for open education
>>> purposes? Would the UN consider changing the copyright license on this web
>>> site? Who do we need to contact requesting permission to change the license
>>> so we can use these resource for the benefit of OER?****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Cheers****
>>>
>>> Wayne****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> -- ****
>>>
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>>> Director OER Foundation <http://www.oerfoundation.org>
>>> Director, International Centre for Open Education, Otago Polytechnic
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>> Director OER Foundation <http://www.oerfoundation.org>
>> Director, International Centre for Open Education, Otago Polytechnic
>> Commonwealth of Learning Chair in OER, Otago Polytechnic
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